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Traveller-digest     Friday, December 31 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1611<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re Miranda<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills & misc <BR>
Trav-like computer games<BR>
re: Gunnery<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
Re: OT Gunbunny notice<BR>
AuricTech Shipyards and Y2K (longish)<BR>
Spacer Folklore<BR>
Why? 2K!<BR>
Re: Santanocheev, the man...[long]<BR>
Greetings from the other side<BR>
Re: Santanocheev the man<BR>
Re: Why? 2K!<BR>
Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
Re: Spacer Folklore<BR>
Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
Re: FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
Re: FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
Re: Total Con Traveller Game<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:55:08 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Miranda<BR>
<BR>
The wording I've heard used locally is:<BR>
<BR>
"You have the right to remain silent. If you give up that right, anything<BR>
you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.<BR>
"You have the right to an attourney. If you desire and cannot afford one,<BR>
one will be appointed for you.<BR>
"You will be allowed one collect phone call, once we arrive at booking.<BR>
"Have you understood these rights as they have been read to you?"<BR>
<BR>
(and, in DUI cases: "You have the right to refuse a blood sample exam. If<BR>
you do, however, it shall be entered as a no contest plea to Driving under<BR>
the Influence of an intoxicating substance.")<BR>
<BR>
Occassionally, when the locals suspect a translator may be needed, they add<BR>
"You have the right to have a translator present during questioning."<BR>
<BR>
Living about 2 blocks from a police substation, I'll see if I can get a<BR>
copy of the local Miranda card....<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:08:09 EST<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills & misc <BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/28/99 6:55:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<<  would like to see some good looking men and I would like it if more than<BR>
 one was black  >><BR>
<BR>
MT Rebellion Sourcebook has a black guy on the cover...:-)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:23:52 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Trav-like computer games<BR>
<BR>
Hiya all:<BR>
<BR>
I'm looking at installing some of the good old games<BR>
on my pc. I'm looking for copies of Elite in<BR>
particular, I liked the travelling and trading. The<BR>
sequel, Privateer, is fun, too. Similar games don't<BR>
seem to be stocked here in Australia: it's all shoot<BR>
'em ups and Command&Conquer clones.<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:37:35 -0500<BR>
From: "Walter G. Smith" <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
Subject: re: Gunnery<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>>><BR>
Kids large enough to run around with minimal supervision (say bright<BR>
3-year olds on up) will probably be trained to *always* have with them<BR>
a small pack/satchel that contains a children's rescue ball. Smaller,<BR>
and again probably somewhat tougher (partly to withstand handling by<BR>
kids!).<BR>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>
I wonder. Considering how long the Traveller societies have been in<BR>
space, this kind of caution may be considered akin to an American<BR>
suburbanite of the 1990's refusing to leave his home without survival<BR>
rations, a firearm and a first aid kit. Reasonable behaviour for a person<BR>
on a frontier, and some people do this, but the average person doesn't.<BR>
<BR>
Aboard ships of a mature space-faring society, how common are life <BR>
support failures? Hull breaches? For a surface to surface vessel <BR>
(like a type-A Free Trader) that makes bi-weekly landings, spacewalks<BR>
may even be something that happen every couple of years or so, unless <BR>
something very unusual happens.<BR>
<BR>
This, of course, assumes that the ships in question are doing nice,<BR>
safe, ordinary things, which of course eliminates all those military ships,<BR>
scout ships, and ships with a player character anywhere near them.<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:40:40 EST<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/29/99 6:03:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
gridlore@pop.mindspring.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< <BR>
 "Love, exciting and new<BR>
 Come aboard, we're expecting youuuu..."<BR>
  >><BR>
<BR>
Ob Trav: Put the PC's on the subsidized liner "Imperial Princess" and pipe <BR>
this song on the sound system CONSTANTLY...:-)<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:04:08 EST<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: OT Gunbunny notice<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/30/99 2:26:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
redroach@flex.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< Colt no longer deals to the public, >><BR>
<BR>
You can still buy 1911's and SAA Colt  model1873 Peacemaker's. These two <BR>
handguns apparently still make them money..On the other hand, both of these <BR>
weapons are available from other manufacturers, and are MUCH cheaper to <BR>
boot...<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:54:15 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: AuricTech Shipyards and Y2K (longish)<BR>
<BR>
As those sophonts on pre-starflight Terra begin to commemorate the Year<BR>
2000 (Y2K), AuricTech Shipyards presents its own "Y2K", the<BR>
JUBILEE-class Yacht, 2000 dtons (designer's notes follow):<BR>
<BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Jubilee Yacht 2000<BR>
<BR>
Tons: 2000 std (AF Long Rounded Cylinder Hypersonic) <BR>
Dimensions: 97.2 m x 19.6 m x 19.6 m<BR>
Volume: 28000 m3<BR>
Cargo: 100 std (2 hatches, Hdl: 2 x 20 t) <BR>
Mass (L/C): 20363 t / 18349 t <BR>
Maintenance Points: 808<BR>
Passengers High/Med: 16 High / 20 Med<BR>
Crew: 19 / 34 <BR>
Frozen Watch: 0<BR>
Cost: 2531.004 MCr   (Cost Multiplier 1.5 for Luxury Yacht)<BR>
Tech Level: 12<BR>
Size: 9 <BR>
<BR>
Electronics<BR>
Controls: Dynamic, High automation.). 3 x FltComp (CM: .35 CP: 2.86). 3<BR>
x FibComp (CM: .35 CP: 2.86). Terrain following sensors (TF: 480 NOE:<BR>
160). Bridge.<BR>
Communications: 3 x Radio (1,000 AU, 0.2 MW). 6 x Laser (1,000 AU, 0<BR>
MW).<BR>
Sensors: 1xPEMS (13.5 [16 mkm], 0.01 MW). 1xAEMS (11.5 [.5 mkm] LP, 1.25<BR>
MW). 1 x LIDAR (15 [2 mkm], 2 MW).<BR>
Survey/Science: None<BR>
ECM: None<BR>
Signatures: Vis: -0.5, IR: -0.5 (-0.5 at 1743 MW, -1 at 205 MW), Act:<BR>
- -0.5, Neu: -1, Grav: 1<BR>
<BR>
Performance <BR>
3 Jump (200 std/pc fuel) <BR>
3 / 3.3 Maneuver (Thruster: 1502 MW)<BR>
No Contra-grav <BR>
3273 kph/3614 kph Atmosphere Maximum <BR>
2455 kph/2711 kph Atmosphere Cruise <BR>
2 Power (Fusion: 2050 MW,1yr) <BR>
240 Battery<BR>
622.3 Fuel (Scoop:4 / Purif: 30, 10 MW) <BR>
20/64/0/21 Accommodations (SmStRoom/LargeStRoom/Low Berth/Emgy Low<BR>
Berth) <BR>
1848 Life Sup. (Type:Extended, Excellent Food/Storage) <BR>
3 G-Comp <BR>
4 Sandcasters (AV: 97 / Cans: 39)<BR>
10 [29] Armor, 27 Structure <BR>
<BR>
Weapons:  2 x Turret  Battery [2 turrets/bty] (+4) 1/ 4-0-0-0 [2,<BR>
400/21-14-7-3] (Long range) Point Defense ROF: 800<BR>
<BR>
Features:<BR>
20 x Airlock<BR>
1 x Decon Airlock <BR>
1 x Docking Umbilical<BR>
1 x Sickbay (8 std ea)<BR>
1 x Ship's locker (1 std ea.)<BR>
1 x Armory (1.71 std ea)<BR>
2 x Gym (2.5 std ea)<BR>
1 x Ballroom (80 std ea)<BR>
1 x Game Room (40 std ea)<BR>
1 x Ordinary Galley (Cap: 84)<BR>
2 x Full Galley (Cap: 42 ea) <BR>
<BR>
Small Craft: <BR>
1 x Spacious Hangar (30 std, 2 hatches)<BR>
<BR>
Backups <BR>
Drives: None <BR>
Screens: None<BR>
Communications: <BR>
Sensors: 1 x PEMS (13 [5 mkm]).  1 x AEMS (11 [.16 mkm] LP). 1 x LIDAR<BR>
(14.5 [500 kkm]).<BR>
ECM: None <BR>
Power & Fuel: Fusion (350 MW) <BR>
<BR>
Crew Details: 2 x Maneuver.  12 x Engineer.  1 x Maintenance.  2 x<BR>
Gunner.  4 x Screen.  4 x Flight.  4 x Command.  1 x Medical.  4 x<BR>
Steward.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Designer's notes:<BR>
<BR>
I freely admit that this is a hideous example of conspicuous<BR>
consumption.  After all, even AuricTech Shipyard's ELECTRA II-class<BR>
yacht is only 1000 dtons, and costs merely MCr 1,166.19.  I mainly<BR>
designed this ship (as I'm sure is quite obvious) as a play on the "Y2K"<BR>
term.  Few individual sophonts would ever spend the 2.5+ gigacredits to<BR>
purchase such a craft; OTOH, this yacht may be considered suitable for<BR>
heads of state and/or CEOs of Imperial megacorporations.  Some fleets<BR>
may wish to purchase the JUBILEE-class as C3 ships, or VIP transports,<BR>
hence the fiber-optic computers (with flight-computer backups) and<BR>
overall redundancy of power plant, commo gear, and sensors.<BR>
<BR>
I kept the ship at TL-12, so that M:0 campaigns could use it. ("As<BR>
_if_!")  I figure that, with the exception of laser systems, few<BR>
potential owners would need the ship upgraded to a higher TL.  Potential<BR>
owners who prefer a higher-tech version of this ship may contact<BR>
AuricTech Shipyards at wombat@premier.net .<BR>
<BR>
With four laser turrets mounted as two batteries, and four sandcaster<BR>
batteries, the JUBILEE-class yacht is reasonably well protected. <BR>
Stealth and drive-masking (both thermal and neutrino) help keep the<BR>
JUBILEE-class yacht from prying enemy eyes.<BR>
<BR>
Note that there are 64 Large staterooms, and 20 Small staterooms, for<BR>
only 70 sophonts normally carried.  While the customer can, of course,<BR>
order the ships with any custom combination of staterooms that will fit<BR>
in this space, the default configuration is as follows:<BR>
<BR>
35 Large staterooms for crewbeings (each crewmember gets a Large<BR>
stateroom; the captain gets a two-stateroom suite [includes office<BR>
space]).  After all, the crewmembers quite possibly _live_ aboard this<BR>
ship, for six months or more at a time.<BR>
<BR>
29 Large staterooms for the yacht's owner, and any guests, divided into<BR>
suites as follows:<BR>
<BR>
Owner's suite (4 Large staterooms);<BR>
10 Guest suites (2 Large staterooms each);<BR>
5 Regular staterooms (1 Large stateroom each, for lesser guests).<BR>
<BR>
20 Small staterooms for lackeys.<BR>
<BR>
Most ship's facilities (emergency low berths, galleys, etc.) are<BR>
designed around each stateroom having single occupancy (assuming that<BR>
each stateroom in a suite has an occupant).  In other words, although<BR>
the ship's listed expected occupancy is 70 sophonts, the JUBILEE-class<BR>
yacht has sufficient food, emergency low berths, and other facilities to<BR>
support 84 human-sized beings without any hint of overcrowding.  Food<BR>
carried is sufficient to support 84 humans for up to 22 weeks, without<BR>
resort to emergency rations.<BR>
<BR>
This yacht is definitely high-performance for TL-12 (J-3, 3 Gs<BR>
acceleration, 3 Gs compensated).<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
Keeper of the TML Keyboard Casualty List<BR>
<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:21:14 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Spacer Folklore<BR>
<BR>
Once again, I feel it is time to repent for my off-topic posts. I all too<BR>
frequently use my voodoo folklorist powers for evil and point out that<BR>
certain stories posted to the list are urban legends. I will now use the<BR>
same voodoo folklorist powers for good and post some musugashimeku, or<BR>
spacelore.<BR>
<BR>
I hope you enjoy the following trio of folktales! (Please keep in mind that<BR>
the bad grammar and rambling tone are both intentional.)<BR>
<BR>
Collected in the Spinward Marches, 1090:<BR>
<BR>
 "On Regina, there was this merchant, and he was really down on his luck.<BR>
His Beowulf had been reeped by the bank for non-payment and he had a couple<BR>
of crates of tripchins he needed to move off-world and he needed to do it<BR>
fast. So, he reads the newsfeed and up pops this for-sale ad for a puking<BR>
dog and the selling price is only 1 credit. He can't believe his eyes, and<BR>
he thinks it's got to be a typo. Still, he figures he's got nothing to lose,<BR>
and the address in the ad is within walking distance inside the starport. He<BR>
walks over there real quickly and ends up at the front door of what looks<BR>
like a small cartel. He almost turns 'round 'cause he can't think of any<BR>
reason this cartel would want to pawn off a puking dog for just one credit.<BR>
He rings the bell and this nice older woman answers. He says that he wants<BR>
to take a look at the ship, and she obliges him. The ship was in perfect<BR>
condition! As he's checking out the cargo hold the lady says to him, "You're<BR>
the only person who's come along since I put the ad in yesterday, I'm<BR>
surprised." So he says to her, "Well, maybe nobody would believe the<BR>
misprint in the newsfeed." She just smiles at him at says, "Oh, it's no<BR>
misprint, I'm really selling it for just a credit." The merchant can't<BR>
believe his own ears, he just about falls over. Finally, he asks what the<BR>
catch is, but she tells him there's no catch, so he asks why she's selling<BR>
it so cheap.<BR>
<BR>
 "As it turns out, just before she put up the ad, she got an Xmail from her<BR>
husband, the guy who ran the cartel. It turns off he'd run off with some<BR>
cute chippie and he wanted his wife to fire the crew of the puking dog, sell<BR>
it, and send him the money. So not only does this trader get this ship for<BR>
less than a soda, he also gets a line on a full jobless crew. This guy was a<BR>
friend of my wife's friend, and from what I understand his luck really<BR>
changed after that!"<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Collected in Daibei, 1101:<BR>
<BR>
 "Ugkfoung Akuedharrgh, that Vargr who plays Lucky in all of those Jetland<BR>
movies, was visiting Capital, and staying in this apartment his producer<BR>
owned in this real posh arco. Everyone knows that Ugk doesn't go anywhere<BR>
without the pet palgo that his friend Girur Duliirumar gave him. So, he's on<BR>
the elevator in this arco and these two old Impie ladies get on, they're<BR>
like 200 years old and both of them can probably trace their ancestry way<BR>
back to the Sirka and the Ramshackle Empire. So they see Ugkfoung, on the<BR>
elevator, and all Vargr look alike to them, and even if that wasn't the case<BR>
they wouldn't know who he was since they're like 200 years old and they're<BR>
on hoity-toity Capital and they've probably never even *heard* of Tom<BR>
Jetland. So, they're real nervous and scared 'cause they're on the elevator<BR>
with this furry Vargr, and they've never seen one before. Palgos can smell<BR>
fear, and they get all excited when they do, but these ladies don't even<BR>
realize that this palgo is moving toward them, they're so afraid of Ugk, but<BR>
he notices his palgo's getting all excited, and he orders it to sit. The<BR>
palgo sits, and so do the two old ladies. They thought this freaky Vargr was<BR>
ordering *them* to sit. Ha! I don't know what they were thinking!"<BR>
<BR>
Speaking of palgos, here's another one, which was collected in the Spinward<BR>
Marches in 1098:<BR>
<BR>
 "A belter I used to drink with told me this story, and it apparently<BR>
happened to his friend who was a steward or something with the crew that<BR>
this happened to. There was this free trader and they had a passenger who<BR>
had this palgo and she really wanted to keep this palgo in her stateroom<BR>
with her. The captain had his own set of regulations and rules, and he<BR>
didn't let her. I think it had something to do with insurance. The palgo was<BR>
to be kept in its cage in the cargo hold. Some cargo handler puts the palgo<BR>
in the hold, but there's a screw up with the cargo manifest and they vac the<BR>
hold for some reason.<BR>
<BR>
 "So, a few weeks later, they get to the planet this passenger was going to,<BR>
and she keeps asking about her palgo. The captain realizes that they sucked<BR>
all the air out of the hold and the palgo can't possibly be alive, so he<BR>
tells her they'll deliver the critter to her place just as soon as they<BR>
unload it. She gets really mad, and she wants the palgo right away, but the<BR>
steward calms her down and she goes home. So, they're unloading the cargo,<BR>
and, sure enough, the palgo is dead. The captain sends his crew out to find<BR>
a palgo that looks the same and, as if by a miracle, they find one. They<BR>
cremate the dead palgo at the starport's fusion crematorium, and they put<BR>
the live palgo in the cage. The captain, feeling very badly, goes to deliver<BR>
it by hand.<BR>
<BR>
 "So, he gets there and he hands the lady the cage, and her face goes red.<BR>
She gets really angry and she starts shrieking, " You thief, you liar! What<BR>
kind of business do you run!" The captain is really confused, the two palgos<BR>
looked *exactly* alike, he indignantly insists that it's her palgo. She gets<BR>
even madder and she screeches at him, "What do you take me for, a fool? I<BR>
know that even jumpspace cannot bring a dead palgo to life!"<BR>
<BR>
 "It turns out that the palgo was her husband's, and the beast outlived him.<BR>
Her husband was very rich and left strict instructions in his will to bury<BR>
the critter at his feet when it finally died. She hated the little monster,<BR>
and she had to cut her vacation short to bring it all the way back home."<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:13:21 +1000<BR>
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au><BR>
Subject: Why? 2K!<BR>
<BR>
Alas, I'm probably going to be out at "the appropriate time".<BR>
<BR>
Still, to celebrate "the end of the world as we know it" here's a quote<BR>
from Ken Macleod's The Sky Road, where the world's computer networks go<BR>
down.  I considered one of the Virus hitting quotes from Survival Margin,<BR>
but someone else can do that....<BR>
<BR>
The idea in the following is that civilisation is going to fall, and this<BR>
is the _last_ email message - a kind of testament to the barbarians:<BR>
<BR>
"Nothing is written.  The future is ours to shape.  When you take the<BR>
cities, spare the scientists and engineers.  Whatever they may have done in<BR>
the past you need them for the future.  Let's make it a better one."<BR>
<BR>
Alan Bradley<BR>
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au<BR>
<BR>
ps:  I probably won't be home to send a "please disregard the previous<BR>
message".  Have  a good 2000, OK.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:38:24 +1000<BR>
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Santanocheev, the man...[long]<BR>
<BR>
> From: Dan Roseberry <BR>
> Another thought:  how about Santanocheev's home world<BR>
> being Porozlo? It would fit the slavic name. Also, being<BR>
> from their might cause Santanocheev to think that the Zhos<BR>
> would never be able to fight their way into the Rhylanor<BR>
> triad because "our forces are so much more powerful than<BR>
> they were during the 3FW". This attitude is actually echoed<BR>
> by others in various TNS bulletins concerning the ability of<BR>
> SW forces reaching Rhylanor. "So let the Zho's run to my<BR>
> home world. They'll be cut to pieces by our new ships and<BR>
> I'll break the sieges at Efate and Jewel."--Santanocheev<BR>
<BR>
Porozlo is good.  I had considered Vilis, but it is a bit exposed to<BR>
attack.  I don't read Santanocheev as a traitor, BTW, just as an<BR>
incompetent and empire-builder.  He might go over the edge after his<BR>
downfall though, in an attempt to shaft his enemies.<BR>
<BR>
We could assume that he was from Porozlo, and acquires estates on Vilis. <BR>
This would give us an opportunity to bring him into the Tanoose/Garda-Vilis<BR>
question, where he could become a prominent hard-liner, demanding Imperial<BR>
intervention and the crushing of the Tanoose Freedom League.  This would be<BR>
a suitable way to use an ultra-conservative, "well-connected" Colonel Blimp<BR>
type - one of the possible ways to read this guy, particularly if we use<BR>
the reading of "Norris the liberal" that appears in MT Rebellion<BR>
sourcebook, and TNE Regency sourcebook, where Norris is the initiator of<BR>
the Representational Reforms.<BR>
<BR>
> Finally, there is the inevitable Lucan/Santanocheev concept.<BR>
> I didn't want to do this; it seemed a little to tidy and cheesy.<BR>
> But I suppose one could connect the two. And for GT:Trav<BR>
> people, Lucan and Santanocheev's son might create some<BR>
> mischief. Not my IMTU; YMMV.<BR>
<BR>
Yes, it's cheesy, and yes, it's pretty obvious, and thus "inevitable".  It<BR>
is actually pretty likely that socially well-connected young riff-raff<BR>
would flock together, and toadying would become an artform.  See the<BR>
"Flashman" books by George Macdonald Fraser for more details!<BR>
<BR>
The other GT option would be people toadying Varian.  We don't know much<BR>
about him, so he could well be as pointless a sleazebag as Lucan.<BR>
<BR>
En Garde is, of course, a useful guide to Imperial high society IMTU.<BR>
<BR>
Alan Bradley<BR>
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au<BR>
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:01:32 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Greetings from the other side<BR>
<BR>
Greetings to the TML from the other side, and a happy new year.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:10:31 +0100 (MET)<BR>
From: Hans Rancke-Madsen <rancke@diku.dk><BR>
Subject: Re: Santanocheev the man<BR>
<BR>
Steven Bonneville writes:<BR>
<BR>
>Alternatively, "Rod Santanocheev" could be a good, loyal officer who<BR>
>would never think of "getting back" at Norris -- but his father's<BR>
>political enemies don't necessarily think so, damaging his career.<BR>
>Worse yet, now that the Sector Admiral has retired, he's taken a more<BR>
>active role in the Moot.  <BR>
<BR>
Santanocheev propably does not have a seat in the Moot. He might, but I<BR>
doubt it. He was jumped from a rather junior rear admiral to sector admiral<BR>
so fast that the Admiralty at Capital could not possibly have confirmed it<BR>
before the war broke out. Thus he can only have been breveted (almost<BR>
certainly by Duchess Delphine). He may have been confirmed before he was<BR>
dismissed, but then it would have taken time for the Emperor to get around<BR>
to giving him a peerage. IIRC there were no mention of a noble title in the<BR>
last TNS newsbriefs about him (in 1112 or so?).<BR>
<BR>
>Many officers automatically assume that Rod has the same political opinions<BR>
>as his father, who has the knack of coming up with frothing anti-Norris<BR>
>diatribes in the sector Moot at the least opportune moments....<BR>
<BR>
Ah, _sector_ Moot. That's assuming there IS a sector moot to begin with.<BR>
Even then he would only have a seat if he had a peerage, wouldn't he?<BR>
<BR>
>The players might be Roddy or part of his crew, or they could get caught<BR>
>up in political shenanigans involving the Captain.  (Possibilities: he's<BR>
>been targeted by one of his father's political enemies (INI?); he's a<BR>
>convenient "fall guy" for an unrelated plot; one of his supporters wants<BR>
>the players help to clear his reputation; etc.)<BR>
 <BR>
But Roddy Santanocheev is a good character with potential nontheless. Maybe<BR>
Santanocheev is a close relation of someone who DOES have a peerage (The<BR>
Duke of Trin, for example), which would work out the same way.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
      Hans Rancke<BR>
University of Copenhagen<BR>
     rancke@diku.dk<BR>
- ------------<BR>
        "Even sub-lieutenants are God's creatures,<BR>
         though it is hard to believe it sometimes."<BR>
                        Commander Ted Walker<BR>
                   "Secret Water" by Arthur Ransome<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 07:16:15 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Why? 2K!<BR>
<BR>
On 12/31/1999 05:13, Alan Bradley wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> ps:  I probably won't be home to send a "please disregard the previous<BR>
> message".  Have  a good 2000, OK.<BR>
> <BR>
><BR>
OK, so when you actually get back from your Y2K celebration, please tell us<BR>
if there were any problems. It'd be interesting to find out.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh W. Spencer (macmanjws@earthlink.net)<BR>
Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA<BR>
http://home.earthlink.net/~macmanjws<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 07:01:02 -0600<BR>
From: "shadowcat" <meow@advancenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
<BR>
Thats a scary enough idea... I think I will have to do it...<BR>
<BR>
Shadowcat AKA Kevin Walsh<BR>
Captain of the Free Trader Beowulf<BR>
ADD/ADHD Advocate<BR>
http://www.advancenet.net/~meow<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:45:48 -0500<BR>
From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Spacer Folklore<BR>
<BR>
Loved them Chris! Give us more.....<BR>
<BR>
Thom<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 3:21 AM<BR>
Subject: Spacer Folklore<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Once again, I feel it is time to repent for my off-topic posts. I all too<BR>
> frequently use my voodoo folklorist powers for evil and point out that<BR>
> certain stories posted to the list are urban legends. I will now use the<BR>
> same voodoo folklorist powers for good and post some musugashimeku, or<BR>
> spacelore.<BR>
><BR>
> I hope you enjoy the following trio of folktales! (Please keep in mind<BR>
that<BR>
> the bad grammar and rambling tone are both intentional.)<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:44:33 -0500<BR>
From: "Daniel Phelps" <phelpsd@gate.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
<BR>
Was Written:<BR>
><BR>
>Check your history books for other methods of of rendering judgement.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Reputedly there was an old Chinese legal recourse, trial by kite.  The<BR>
accused was strapped to the frame of a huge kite.  If he survived the<BR>
launch, subsequent flight of a set duration, and landing he was innocent.<BR>
This is of course a variation of trial by ordeal.  Perhaps this is the<BR>
source of the expression "go fly a kite".<BR>
<BR>
There is the method of judgement and also of picking a punishment where in a<BR>
random passage from some holy book is selected and interpreted for guidance.<BR>
<BR>
Regarding Punishment<BR>
<BR>
While not a judgmental method in the strict sense there is the method by<BR>
which, in ancient times, an accused may avoid execution by finding an unwed<BR>
woman to marry him.  Watch the movie with Jack Nickelson "Going South".<BR>
<BR>
There is also the ancient principal of punishment by example where by one of<BR>
the group of the accused, selected by lot, is punished for the entire group.<BR>
The rest are allowed to live presumably having learned from the example.<BR>
<BR>
There is the ancient form of punishment where by all ignore the existence of<BR>
the guilty and render no assistance to him or them.  On certain worlds with<BR>
closed environments this could mean no doors open, no food, no medical<BR>
assistance... nothing works for the guilty.<BR>
<BR>
How about the ancient practice of "outlawing" where by the accused is<BR>
declared an "outlaw", forfeits all his goods and is given a running start,<BR>
in extreme cases naked, before hunting season is declared.  "Be out of town<BR>
by sun up."<BR>
<BR>
How about the old S/F chestnut of being sentenced to the organ banks.  In<BR>
minor cases this would involve loss of a body part in more extreme cases<BR>
vivisection.<BR>
<BR>
Just a few historical and fictional models of judgement and punishment.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Dan<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:27:24 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Walter G. Smith wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Something vaguely on-topic from a friend:<BR>
> <BR>
> Your tax dollars at work.<BR>
> ____________________________________________________________<BR>
> <BR>
> During the heat of the space race in the 1960's, the U.S. <BR>
> National Aeronautics and Space Administration decided it <BR>
> needed a ball point pen to write in the zero gravity confines <BR>
> of its space capsules. <BR>
> <BR>
> After considerable research and development, the Astronaut <BR>
> Pen was developed at a cost of $1 million. <BR>
> <BR>
> The pen worked and also enjoyed some modest success as a <BR>
> novelty item back here on Earth. <BR>
> <BR>
> The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem of writing in <BR>
> zero gravity, used a pencil. <BR>
<BR>
Yikes!  Pencil leads break. Graphite pencil leads are conductors. Tiny<BR>
little bits of conductor floating about are BAAAAAD!<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:27:24 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Walter G. Smith wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Something vaguely on-topic from a friend:<BR>
> <BR>
> Your tax dollars at work.<BR>
> ____________________________________________________________<BR>
> <BR>
> During the heat of the space race in the 1960's, the U.S. <BR>
> National Aeronautics and Space Administration decided it <BR>
> needed a ball point pen to write in the zero gravity confines <BR>
> of its space capsules. <BR>
> <BR>
> After considerable research and development, the Astronaut <BR>
> Pen was developed at a cost of $1 million. <BR>
> <BR>
> The pen worked and also enjoyed some modest success as a <BR>
> novelty item back here on Earth. <BR>
> <BR>
> The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem of writing in <BR>
> zero gravity, used a pencil. <BR>
<BR>
Yikes!  Pencil leads break. Graphite pencil leads are conductors. Tiny<BR>
little bits of conductor floating about are BAAAAAD!<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:27:23 -0500<BR>
From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Total Con Traveller Game<BR>
<BR>
I checked and there is one (1) GURP's Traveller slot. It is Friday night<BR>
(Feb 25th) from 7-11. Apparently someone named Dan Desmarais (a new contact)<BR>
wrote the module and is running it himself. From what I read there will only<BR>
be six (6) seats. My check will be in the mail Monday.<BR>
<BR>
Anybody else in the area going please give me a call at 781-891-3208 or send<BR>
me email thomharr@mediaone.net and maybe we can work out a meeting? I am<BR>
corresponding with one other person now so maybe we can get enough people to<BR>
get a pick-up game going on the side. We don't even have to pay for those<BR>
events. ;)<BR>
<BR>
Does anyone have Peter Brenton's email address or is Pete still on the TML?<BR>
Hey Pete, are you there buddy? Send me a line if you are and Jo too.<BR>
(Yeehaa, just found it myself) I smell an adventure coming on!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Swordy (Colin Michael)" <swordworlder@clinic.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 11:36 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Total Con Traveller Game<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Whoa, I could almost make it to that.  Hmm.  I could tell the wife that it<BR>
> is her birthday present to me.  Maybe!<BR>
><BR>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<BR>
> Colin Michael, WebDev<BR>
> www.downport.com<BR>
> The Traveller Domain<BR>
><BR>
> ----- Original Message -----<BR>
> From: "Mark Urbin" <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
> > I just got my TotalCon (Late Feb, Andover MA).  There is a Traveller<BR>
> > adventure mentioned.<BR>
> > I'll have to read up on the time slots and send in my entry form soon.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Any other TMLers going?<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
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